tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post618765679592479780..comments2024-03-12T07:48:29.712+03:00Comments on Stories from the trauma bay: The Vaccine "Debate"DocBastardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12224592098492491365noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-33945717512075509392016-07-25T01:30:41.173+03:002016-07-25T01:30:41.173+03:00It probably makes me a bad person but I wish every...It probably makes me a bad person but I wish every anti-vexer would get those diseases that smart people have fought so hard to eradicate. No, I don't mean their children, I don't wish bad things upon children. I mean the adults making the crappy decisions to not vaccinate. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-43529454815086988252016-05-14T20:06:22.996+03:002016-05-14T20:06:22.996+03:00Putting the science about herd immunity aside, thi...<i>Putting the science about herd immunity aside, this argument is faulty because its premise is that I should alter my behavior for the good of <b>my pocketbook</b></i>.<br /><br />If someday, I landed at Disneyworld and one of his child transmit measles or any sh!t of that sort to one of my child, he is going to be sued to the maximum extend possible.<br /><br />I do hope his potential for learning is correlated to the pocketbook emptying lesson of such premise and especially the very simple but very deep legal concept: his rights stop where mine begin.<br /><br />AlAlainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17081324424970483983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-62349118445236706482015-09-16T07:15:58.452+03:002015-09-16T07:15:58.452+03:00Maybe look up the meaning of "eradicated"...Maybe look up the meaning of "eradicated" as it pertains to infectious disease. <br /><br />Yes, it has been. DocBastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12224592098492491365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-76148408878024699102015-09-16T06:02:03.164+03:002015-09-16T06:02:03.164+03:00Smallpox hasn't been eradicated, there are sam...Smallpox hasn't been eradicated, there are samples kept alive in labs.purplehippohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06752730241459175683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-51496058181759553852015-07-18T22:54:09.708+03:002015-07-18T22:54:09.708+03:00I do not think that vaccines cause autism. I'm...I do not think that vaccines cause autism. I'm also not a moron, but I also don't expect you to take my word for it. You would have to know me to decide for yourself and even if you think one my decisions is wrong, surely that doesn't immediately make someone a moron.<br /><br />As you probably guessed I'm not totally pro vaccines. I'm also not your typical anti vaxer. I vaccinated my first child completely on schedule, 2nd one the schedule went a bit awry because no one sent me any letters about it and I had to be the one going there to ask.<br />When asked, several nurses had no clue what to do seeing that the vaccines were late. They were apologetic about us not receiving the letter but no one had a clue what to do now that it was late. That was the day I started wondering about the knowledge and expertise of all medical staff about vaccines. Clearly, even at the same surgery, people couldn't agree what to do when a child accidentally missed a vaccine. <br /><br />As I'm not a doctor or a researcher I've always gone with the opinion of those who are but yes, I did start wondering who was right after reading several articles from medical staff who do not agree with vaccines (and I do not mean the one who insisted on the MMR-autism link).<br /><br />How can you know who to trust if some experts disagree? Yes, the big majority agrees but it wouldn't be the first time that a minority is proven right later on. I don't think you can blame non medical people for at least wonder if there is any validity in their claims.<br /><br />I'm not concerned about any MMR links. The bits that I question are the ones mentioning that diseases were declining anyway due to better hygiene standards and better medical care. If vaccines are truly this effective, shouldn't we have been able to eradicate more diseases by now? I do think vaccines are useful, I'm more wondering if that usefulness is not said to be more than it really is?<br /><br />My other doubt is the duration of the vaccines. Of I get the disease I get life long immune to it. With the vaccine o may end up getting the disease as a middle age person and have more chances of dying from it. <br /><br />I can see you replied about the point he did about vaginal birth and of course c sections are sometimes needed. But what do you have to add about the breastfeeding?<br /><br />The % of women who cannot breastfeed for medical reasons is quite low and as far as I'm aware there are plenty of good reasons as far as health goes, to breastfeed. So if we would make vaccination compulsory, would we also make breastfeeding compulsory or make parents pay, or at least contribute towards any treatment for certain illnesses that could have been helped if the child had been breastfed?<br /><br />Apologies in advance for any errors in my reply but writing this on a phone and with kids interrupting is definitely making it harder to keep hold of my thoughts. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-63601838045002872102015-03-14T08:38:07.450+02:002015-03-14T08:38:07.450+02:00Isn't that interesting. Of course the Internet...Isn't that interesting. Of course the Internet would sabotage me. <br /><br />The reference from which I cut-and-pasted was: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consensuses <br /><br />Why I linked to a different site's definition instead of the one I actually copied is beyond me. DocBastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12224592098492491365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-78941957808190898462015-03-14T06:29:22.703+02:002015-03-14T06:29:22.703+02:00Uh, Doc? Your correction of "consensus" ...Uh, Doc? Your correction of "consensus" is wrong. The link to Merriam-Webster that you gave on the word "*all*" says exactly what he claims "consensus" means. Like, word for word. Were you using a different dictionary?Cassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407466438773284596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-16246145174167614842015-03-03T03:30:09.917+02:002015-03-03T03:30:09.917+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12928179650822412148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-76514337293362434752015-02-27T13:25:49.117+02:002015-02-27T13:25:49.117+02:00I already do. Every vaccine available, I've go...I already do. Every vaccine available, I've gotten. My wife and kids too. My parents and siblings too. All their spouses and kids too. <br /><br />Questions?DocBastardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12224592098492491365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-21901510299759498102015-02-27T07:24:49.198+02:002015-02-27T07:24:49.198+02:00Where did you get that conclusion? Where did you get that conclusion? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-6939215403765754932015-02-27T06:49:32.657+02:002015-02-27T06:49:32.657+02:00every*every*chedcahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796573202625232231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-18428093334655874132015-02-27T06:49:09.557+02:002015-02-27T06:49:09.557+02:00Hey doc if vaccines are so harmless why don't ...Hey doc if vaccines are so harmless why don't you vaccinate yourself against everything dead virus you can get your hands on? Because that would be stupid - vaccines are clearly dangerous.chedcahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796573202625232231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-88276119994850994752015-02-26T20:25:13.511+02:002015-02-26T20:25:13.511+02:00Would like to see DB address mandatory vaccine pol...Would like to see DB address mandatory vaccine policies and how those are balanced with the individual's right to autonomy and self-determination (which I'm sure DB attends to, if there's research and consenting of subjects where DB works as a trauma surgeon). <br /><br />This year the flu vaccine didn't work. That's not a reason not to get a flu shot. It appears to be a quality measure (you know, like NSQIP?) and the question is, should sick patients in ICUs be given flu shots?<br /><br />Last, I didn't get a flu shot this year, and in retrospect it didn't matter. I did note a few sick people with influenza-like illness. Of course, I asked as many as I could if they had their flu shot (flu shot takers are easy to identify inside a hospital; they're the ones not idiotically walking around with a surgical mask for refusing a flu shot). Every ILI victim that I asked had a flu shot.<br /><br />I haven't been sick this year. Herd immunity? THIS year?<br /><br />Anyway, encourage vaccination if vaccination works, but such encouragement should be quickly tempered at the earliest sign of symbolism triumphing over substance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-29299313163087030492015-02-26T08:10:05.785+02:002015-02-26T08:10:05.785+02:00Is he actually interested in a debate or just seei...Is he actually interested in a debate or just seeing how many logical fallacies he can use while trying (and falling) to call others out on them. <br /><br />I literally went through a list of logical fallacies and he had used more of them than not. It's hilariousSkyGuy32https://www.blogger.com/profile/06384956212943189459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-91518640343709776582015-02-26T01:42:11.025+02:002015-02-26T01:42:11.025+02:00I just have a link to share: an anti-vax related c...I just have a link to share: an anti-vax related comic from SMBC. http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2168#comicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-46711366268084882962015-02-24T06:32:12.921+02:002015-02-24T06:32:12.921+02:00those who postpone or cannot have vaccinations due...those who postpone or cannot have vaccinations due to legitimate medical reasons don't count as anti vaxKen Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15166383392696452631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-66633273805576971602015-02-24T01:32:41.992+02:002015-02-24T01:32:41.992+02:00My son was vax'ed fully on schedule except for...My son was vax'ed fully on schedule except for one dTaP (or whatever order it's in now!) which we delayed by a whole week! The reason? *I* had an allergic reaction to it a year prior & we were leaving from the appt to go camping where we were going to be a couple hours from a hospital with no cell reception. We had it done when we got home. When I'd had the T part the prior year I had breathing problems and, after consulting with his dr, we decided that the stress and anxiety I was experiencing over it wasn't worth it. So we did it when we got back. No biggie. <br /><br />I have to hope that people around me have been vaccinated for measles. I have been vaccinated for it 3 times & still show no immunity through blood tests.<br />*~*Zann*~*https://www.blogger.com/profile/05097431179704724669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-87529671960562889452015-02-24T00:06:40.385+02:002015-02-24T00:06:40.385+02:00I found the article enlightening. Truth be told, ...I found the article enlightening. Truth be told, I've always been in the pro-vaccine camp (Herd immunity, eradication of disease, and minimal risk all play into that siding), but never considered the other side of the coin.<br /><br />And now I know why: because 98% of anti-vaxxers are fuckin' morons. (I'm reserving 2% for those who have legitimate health reasons for not doing so, such as those who have reactions to the contents of the vaccine that could be detrimental to their health, just so you know, Doc.)<br /><br />There's a couple anti's in my hometown, always worried about the "Mercury poison in the vaccines" problem. I asked 'em if they liked tuna fish, or had fluorescent light bulbs in their home. Both said yes. I told 'em they've had more mercury put in their systems just on the fish alone, let alone any broken light bulbs they've had, than they'd get from vaccines. I may not know the exact figures, but I'm sure I'm at least within a fart's distance of accuracy.<br /><br />And yeah, I've done the 'just asking questions' type debate before. Done right, it's golden. Done wrong, it's shit. Done in the fashion Geary pulled off, it's a pile of radioactive waste in the sewer systems of the internet, and you tore it apart and put it in containment rather swiftly.<br /><br />So three cheers for our favorite anonymous doctor, anyone?Dakalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05312490840168804147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-82836219367250875922015-02-23T15:38:22.328+02:002015-02-23T15:38:22.328+02:00I hate this kind of stupidity, I remember when Ric...I hate this kind of stupidity, I remember when Rick Santorum claimed The Netherlands actively euthanized their elderly, even without consent. According to him, they had to wear a "Kill-me-not Bracelet" in order to survive, now I know Rick Santorum is an Asshat, but the above is a such blatent lie that it's completely offensive to the Dutch in general. I wonder why he never got wooden shoes thrown at his head. <br /><br />What does this have to do to vaccinating other then the sheer stupidity being acclaimed as truth? <br />Nothing, I'm just praying on a blog about DocBastards opinion about euthanasia, or at least palliative care. Not really the cup of tea of a traumadocter, but an interesting discussion nonethelessCroobiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706541134744354102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-31930694950121319062015-02-23T11:50:09.562+02:002015-02-23T11:50:09.562+02:00Oh my. As a climate scientist, I recognize every o...Oh my. As a climate scientist, I recognize every one of the tactics he uses to foment doubt. Like Glenn Beck, though, he's "just asking questions."<br /><br />People who actively advocate against the health and well-being of society mystify me. If they were paid corporate or think-tank shills, I could at least understand the motivation, base though it may be.<br /><br />This sort of garbage is aggravating to no end, but just think of the people you're reaching who may really just have needed to hear it again from a trusted source, and know that you've done good. Please keep writing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-78615451718267636052015-02-23T09:45:15.575+02:002015-02-23T09:45:15.575+02:00I can honestly say now, that my erection that I ob...I can honestly say now, that my erection that I obtained after reading this article has reached maximum girth. Now I will sit reading old blog posts from doc in one hand and the loch Ness girth monster in the other Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-83482550729986775392015-02-23T04:35:21.757+02:002015-02-23T04:35:21.757+02:00Doc, great article, but you are wrong about 1 thin...Doc, great article, but you are wrong about 1 thing - one of the 5 greatest inventions of humankind is obviously chocolate not bacon, ;)<br /><br />I place some blame for the vaccine debate on the medical community - Dr. Sears (alternative vaccine schedule), the paleo-cardiologist in AZ, my MD neighbors who are vaccinating their children on a different schedule so as not to overwhelm the children's immune system, and the anti-vax nurses. Why should parents trust one physician when another physician is anti-vax? They are supposed to be educated to look at research and make decisions based on science. The medical community needs to reign in their own members if they are to win this battle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-59880384569749261262015-02-23T01:59:38.167+02:002015-02-23T01:59:38.167+02:00You should edit his twitter reply into this a long...You should edit his twitter reply into this a long with a "View counter" that does nothing but stay at 3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-53871877026230142642015-02-22T21:40:44.111+02:002015-02-22T21:40:44.111+02:00National Geographic has a great article in a recen...National Geographic has a great article in a recent edition that is right up your alley! http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/science-doubters/achenbach-textAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1809371631407381115.post-6035798842229433182015-02-22T15:33:10.434+02:002015-02-22T15:33:10.434+02:00I would like to start by saying I love the blog do...I would like to start by saying I love the blog doc. Been reading for something like 2 years. <br /><br /> This is my first comment and this subject hits home with me. My 4 year old son was diagnosed with autism at just 22 months. We used the mchat on his 18 month check up because we knew something was different. Not once have I ever thought it was the vaccines that caused it. He was showing signs as early as 6 months old that we can remember. Fragile X test was negative. What does that leave as a cause? My opinion is born that way. Same as why I have some webbed toes.<br /><br /> I cannot understand why people think that vaccinations cause autism. I know we could tell something was different before 6 months, but I could not for the life of me tell you what those signs were. Part of it I think, was the denial stage. Once we started to accept something was different, we were able to talk about it and do our own research just fine.<br /><br />Thanks for reading this long comment, and thanks for such a great blog.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06438532423077776533noreply@blogger.com